Charging Batteries from PV - Balance the Relationship

72 Posts
Mar 22, 2008 10:20 pm
Charging Batteries from PV - Balance the Relationship

If I have:
(1) 170watt PV running at a net peak of 4 hours per day.
how many 105amp hour batteries can I charge ... nothing else considered.

My attempt at the math leads me to believe:
170watts*4hours=680watts generated
pushed in to 12volts=57amp hours

meaning, I can only charge .57 105ah batteries per 170watt PV running .680kwh avg per day.

Is this correct?

And If so, does that mean:
a need to maintain a relationship of
(2) 170watt panels per (1) 105amphr battery?

Thanks in advance

edited to say:
meaning, I can only charge .57 105ah batteries per 170watt PV running .680kwh avg per day.

contains a math/typo

it should have said something like:

meaning, I can only charge 57ah of 105ah batteries per 170watt PV running .680kwh avg per day.

which gives me 57/105 = .54 batteries per day.

« Last Edit: Mar 25, 2008 06:27 pm by Keith Birchfield »
 
Mar 24, 2008 07:55 am
Re: Charging Batteries from PV - Balance the Relationship

Technically one could charge as many batteries as one wants. Its what is taken away from them that has to be replaced in the time allotted that would make all the difference in the world.

175 watts at 12 volts nominal would be 14.5 amps times 4 hours a day would be 58.3 amp hours a day. Personally I would like to keep a battery in the top 20% of full charge so, if I were to assume that the load on the batteries would be no more than 58.3 amp hours divided over 4 hours then - 58.3 times 5 would be 291.5 amp hour capacity. I would say 3 - 105 amp hour batteries at 12 volts nominal... nothing else considered. Hope this helps!
 
10 Posts
Mar 25, 2008 10:33 am
Re: Charging Batteries from PV - Balance the Relationship

So if I wanted to solve for the TIME in days it takes to charge a battery given a specific PV array wattage and battery capacity, is the following calculation correct?

battery amp hrs / ((PV watts/PV volts) * hrs of sun per day) = days to charge battery 100%

Thanks.

« Last Edit: Mar 25, 2008 10:40 am by Vince Allen »
 
72 Posts
Mar 25, 2008 06:30 pm
Re: Charging Batteries from PV - Balance the Relationship

So if I wanted to solve for the TIME in days it takes to charge a battery given a specific PV array wattage and battery capacity, is the following calculation correct?

battery amp hrs / ((PV watts/PV volts) * hrs of sun per day) = days to charge battery 100%

My math ends up looking like this:
(battery_amp_hrs / ( (PV_Watts/Battery_Volts) * Sun_Hrs ) )

so, using my 105ah battery on a 170w PV with 4hrs per day ...

(105 / ( (170/12) * 4 ) ) )

(105 / ( (14.17) * 4 ) ) )

(105 / ( 56.67 ))

(105 / 56.67 )

( 1.85 ) days to charge a single 105amp hour battery using

my earlier result was
57amphrs of a 105ah battery

so
57/105 =  .54 batteries per day
or
1/.54 = 1.85 days per battery

I hope the experts can chime in to make sure this is correct.
 
72 Posts
Mar 25, 2008 06:37 pm
Re: Charging Batteries from PV - Balance the Relationship

Technically one could charge as many batteries as one wants. Its what is taken away from them that has to be replaced in the time allotted that would make all the difference in the world.

175 watts at 12 volts nominal would be 14.5 amps times 4 hours a day would be 58.3 amp hours a day. Personally I would like to keep a battery in the top 20% of full charge so, if I were to assume that the load on the batteries would be no more than 58.3 amp hours divided over 4 hours then - 58.3 times 5 would be 291.5 amp hour capacity. I would say 3 - 105 amp hour batteries at 12 volts nominal... nothing else considered. Hope this helps!

Thanks Thomas,
It does help. I'm trying to get a handle on my current and planned loads.
At this point I think my test load is coming close to fully draining my battery, and my PV is barely keeping up.
So, this exercise is helping me quite a bit to figure out my  real needs.
Anyways, for the moment, I'm trying to focus on how to predict my battery charging capability . ... as a piece of the puzzle.

« Last Edit: Mar 25, 2008 07:09 pm by Keith Birchfield »
 
578 Posts
Mar 25, 2008 06:43 pm
Re: Charging Batteries from PV - Balance the Relationship

hi guys,

i have been busy spending time with family and preparing for this weekend's class.  since you asked i will try to help out.

so for as far as the time it takes, there is no answer.  unless you control the weather, there is no right answer. 

now that is not what you are looking for so lets do it this way.

1 grp 31 battery.  12vdc 105 ah (20hr charge rate)

we are going to turn this into watt-hours. 
12 x 105= 1260 watt hours

next i take my array, in this case 170 and multiply by average sun hours per day.  this number will change monthly.

170 watts x 4 sun hours = 680 watt hours (ignoring reality and inefficiencies)

so if i have a battery that is 1260 watt hours i divide by my array's average production.
1260 / 680 = 1.85 days to charge the battery from zero (which it will not and should not be at)

what worries me more, is that your 170w array is one 18v or 24v module and you made no mention of a mppt controller yet there is a 12v battery involved. 

see this thread for more on that.

http://forums.altenergystore.com/Renewable-Energy/Technical/Re-24-volt-panels-to-charge-12-volt-bat/index.php/topic,1276.msg4479.html#msg4479

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« Last Edit: Mar 25, 2008 06:45 pm by James Cormican »
 
72 Posts
Mar 25, 2008 07:21 pm
Re: Charging Batteries from PV - Balance the Relationship

James,
Thanks for the reply.

It sounds like our math ends up with the same answer! :-)

Yes, I have a mppt controller, and I've been avoiding talking about the load portion ... just so I can focus on and try to understand the battery charing portion.

in actuality, my boot strap system ( not optimized! ) is generating about 700 watt hours per day on average and at an average peak of about 145watts  ... over maybe 6 to 10 total hours of (semi)active charging ... from  a pitiful 4 watts in the morning up to a high of 145-170watts and then back down ...

the mppt controller is doing a wonderful job !

i was using the simple 170watts*4hrs ... to keep it simple and to have a similar net result.

anyways, back to the battery charging piece ...

your formula looks like it may be something like:

(battery_volts*battery_amphrs) / (pv_watts*sun_hrs)

is this correct?


 
578 Posts
Mar 25, 2008 08:42 pm
Re: Charging Batteries from PV - Balance the Relationship

yes but more specifically

battery nominal volts x battery amp hours @ C20 rate

divided by

rated pv watts @stc x annual average sun hours per day @ latitude tilt

equals

average number of days to charge a battery bank from zero to full (without inefficiencies taken into account)

glad to hear about the mppt working well.
next step is to monitor loads closely to come up with an average watt hours per day

http://howto.altenergystore.com/Calculators/Load-Calculator/a74/

or use kill-a-watt meter to identify singular 120vac loads

http://store.altenergystore.com/Meters-Communications-Site-Analysis/Meters-Battery-Monitors/Power-Meters/P3-International-P4400-Kill-A-Watt-Power-Meter/p932/

cheers,

james
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