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If I understood you correctly, thats a tuff order to fill. But not impossible. Mankind lived that way for at least 5,000 years. Growing thier own vegetables, raising livestock, making thier own bread, building thier home from indiginous materials so forth and so on. They were lucky in a way, they didnt have as many choices as nuclear age mankind has. If they wanted to survive that was the most likely the only way. But in this nuclear age most of the 6 billion human beings on Earth has become a comoditty like so many soy beans or pork bellies, only the purpose is to generate revenues and when one or more humans want to break away from the collective they find themseleves having to deal with not just how to survive as a self reliant individual or individuals, but also with the world they strived to put behind them, or coexist with. The question comes up, can most of 6 billion people be wrong to be so reliant on big industry and behemoth corporations for thier survival? I cant tell anyone if its better to drop a dependencey on something cold turkey or to gradually wean themseleves off of that dependencey, but I can tell you, if you desire a completely self reliant lifestyle you will have to deal with dependenceies brought on by generations of conditioning. Not that long ago, what? 300 years ago give or take a decade, the native Americans lived this way. They didnt know of any other way. They also lived a tribel or comunal life, but they lived from the Earth. Not a work forty hours, pay taxes, buy groceries pay taxes, make the house and car payment pay taxes, etc. etc. and pay taxes. We are born we pay taxes and we die. The point I am trying to make (rather clumsuly) is that to become completely self reliant is very difficult for the indentured servant as well as the the master. They must first be willing to let each other free. You are willing to set yourself free of those that would have you be dependent on them, but are they willing to do the same for you? Or maybe you plan to coexist, a litlle bit of this, a little bit of that, but none of those. Wouldnt this be living in a duallity? Or maybe just compromise's? I sincerely hope that you can find the way and set an example for those in the future to follow. Thomas Schmidt    

How about a web site BOBS?

"wonderful" now we have the perpetum mobile from London. Since hundreds of years law of thermodynamics show it's not possible.
The 'forever' spinning wheel was a dream and will remain a dream as friction in pistons, springs, axle etc... will stop it even without turning a generator.
The only commercial usage of storing kinetic energy is pumping water uphill during excess energy and and let it run down to power turbines when power is needed.
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Good to know each wheel it will produce 10000 Volt !! and 3 wheels will power your house.
The whole thing smells like ripping off some victims.

Burning water to heat your home...not possible???

http://xogen.ca/

Yes Bobs, the forum is topics in alternative energy.
It is not "pie-in-the-sky" or "sci fi" energy.
Roland is doing a public service by questioning the feasability of this device.

You say they are producing it. No, they may have taken a few orders for it, but they have not delivered any of them to anyone.
The first public showing of the prototype is scheduled for August.
(By the way, the smallest machine is supposed to produce 10,000 watts, not volts)

You posted the site link and asked "what do you think ? ". Roland gave you his opinion. Then you start insulting him because he doesn't agree with you. That is no way to win an argument or settle a difference of opinion. I think that you owe him an apology.

Roland has a higher level of understanding of engineering/scientific principles than most of the people posting to these boards. I am sure that if you had asked him for clarification of his opinion, he would have provided it.

So why don't you explain to us why this device should not be considered perpetual motion ?

Sorry Roland I am in the wrong place to be posting, and plan never to visit this page agin. Every one has the right to an openion and I was wrong in my delivery, but I do plan to dream on as it is the only hope for mankind.  

When the perpetum mobile as kind of bootstrap yourself out of the mud, would be the only hope of mankind we would really be lost.
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Luckyly we have alternative energy resources mainly from the sun without violating mayor laws of physics.
So the hope will rest on clean Energy which is used directly from sun's resource (PV modules, solar heating)or indirectly (wind, hydro, biomass).
Second alternative is Moon's gravity pull e.g. tidal power by runing a turbine during high tide filling huge water reservoir and empty it running thru a turbine during low tide (St Malo in France), in Scotland they experiment with underwater propellor to use tidal current.
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Your link about the car producing it's own hydrogen from chemical reaction of Alloy with water is very interesting. Also here the Energy balance is following the laws of physic. Secret this time is that Aluminium production needs incredible high amounts of energy (the most electricity consuming industy with very special low energy cost charged) and this energy is just released in the hyrdo car's chemical reaction splitting water.  
==>> So still never a free Energy ride.  

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Unfortunately, BOBS, while Roland could use a bit of tact, he is correct.  
The formula for gravity energy is E=m*a*h, where E is energy, m is mass, a is gravitational acceleration, and h is the height to which the mass is lifted.  It is what is known as a conservative system.  That is, the path utilized to get up and down doesn't matter; only the height.  While this is a simplified version of the equation, showing only the static elements, there are non-conservative dynamic elements involved such as friction which make energy losses occur each time something moves.

I do believe that there is a way to get perpetual motion, but this is not it.  I suggest you get a book on Physics (Haliday and Resnick was a good one for me) and upgrade your mathematical skills to at least calculus if you really are interested in these concepts.  It will help you throw out the garbage.  In the mean time, run away from this thing.  You've stumbled on a huckster who should be strung up.

I personally worked on a concept of the exact same nature when I was a freshman in high school, but finally came away with the understanding that this thing couldn't work.  By the way...does anyone know how the stupid dipping birds work?  They have fascinated and baffled me for quite some time now.

Glad to see some one noticed the lack of tact. Not something I was going to market, just thought it interesting. The launch is in 4 days.I know I said I would not post agin, but will return on the 25th to say I am sorry, or ask Roland to.

ok so it's a scam..i am a fool.What do you think about this???
http://www.whispergen.com/