Freetricity.com

Interesting response given this has nothing to do with a "he said/she said" scenario.

This is about one company using its so called public forum in an attempt to harm another company that is its competitor.

How else can you explain or justify the first post about Freetricity starting with "for a good laugh ..." when referring to them?

And that this was posted by an employee of the alternative energy store who did not identify himself as such.



FYI - After doing more research I have decided to offer them my services on Monday.

Posted by James Cormican on Today at 02:52:49 PM

"that being said, you are right that if i decide to give my opinion on this or any public forum, i should make sure that i identify it as my own."


"* The originator of the thread "Sue" is not an employee of the Alternative Energy Store"

But, what positional url link and how did she come by that link in order to post a response to your forum ...

We need to be fair here, what you say will be used.


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This one's going to cost you guys a bundle.

A bald faced lie:

"I've talked to a number of unhappy freetricity 'E2D' owners." Posted by Chris Brown (an alt energy store employee).

Two things:

1) When challenged to provide proof of that statement by the Freetricity rep he could not produce proof!

2) At the time of that post there were zero negative comments in this "so called" public forum about Freetricity.


Flat out "published" lies to harm a competitor is libel (defamation is my area of expertise) and subject to damages!

When making such claims the burden of proof falls on the person making the claim!

If it's a true statement (and we both know it's not) he has to produce and prove those numerous conversations.

Is it your contention that that Freetricity customers called Chris?

What are their names?

On what dates did these numerous conversations take place?

I suspect by sometime tomorrow afternoon your attitude will be far less caviler Nick!

Again, the burden of proof falls on the person making the statement.

I seriously doubt a judge and/or jury will find your defense (or the statement and its timing) credible.

But we will find out starting tomorrow.

You don't get to make up stuff or post unsubstantiated harmful claims without repercussions ... and that's where my passion lies.

  Ahh. I fear you may have misunderstood my question.  It seems like you have experience with freetricity and from your responses it seems like it is a positive one.  So I was wondering if you had any positive thoughts to share on the product.

  Best Wishes,
   -Nick

  Hello Dennis!

  Just to clarify a bit on the lawyer part/clear George, to the best of my knowledge, Alt-E has not been contacted or sued. 

  And as we've said in the past, we more than welcome any positive comments that people may have to say about freetricity.

  Thanks Dennis!
   -Nick

Nick,

I did communicate with Freetricity on Monday and presented my findings.

One of their partners is an attorney so they are going to run with this themselves although I did receive compensation for my efforts.

And to Dennis. It's never frivolous when one company attempts to harm another company through a fake public forum and unsubstantiated negative claims .

Hey Nick as one of the public let me see if I can change this to some actual useful information exchange. I actually have had access to five diffrent freetricity 1200 watt units. They all have produced voltage and the newest produce pretty high volts so long as they are unloaded. Now when you put them on a discharged battery it takes well over 15mph wind to get these units over 13v. This brings me to my question and where I hope someone might be able to help me. Even though 15mph is way over what I was told still I have the 13v. However I have had 18mph sustained wind at the level of the turbine for over 6 hours with no charging of the batteries. You can see slight rises in battery charge while the wind is up but as soon as it goes down the batteries fall right back down. If the volts are there why is the battery not charging? I have had the battery tested at Interstate headquarters by an engineer and I can charge it with a standard charger so it is good. I have seen the same results from all five units. Can anyone shed some light on this in a useful manor?

Troy,

One way of hazarding a guess at the amount of power your E2D produces is that it must (should?) comply with the National Electrical Code (NEC).

If we take a nominal voltage of 20V (for easy math, even though you are measuring it at 13V) then a 1200 watt system would have 60 amps of current.

To safely conduct a current of 60 amps, the NEC says your wire size must be AWG #6 minimum. Now if your E2D was provided with say AWG #12 wire, or the standard size for most household wiring, that has a current carrying capacity of 20 amps. That means that your windmill could not produce more that 240 watts (12V x 20A)and still be operating safely.

I don't know if it has one, but look for an Underwriters Laboratory (UL) sticker on the unit which will have a number on it that you can lookup to see what the independent test results on the unit were.

John

"I suspect that the current (I) output from your windmill at 13V is in the milliamp range, ie less than 1 amp, and is not likely to give a significant charge to a battery over a few hours. However, I would be interested in hearing what your reading for current and hence total power produced is as my initial guess at what power it would produce was in the 5 to 10 watt range. That would give you a current (I) reading of around 0.5 amps.

John Bodden"

LOFL

I see the alternative energy stores master of misinformation is back!! This fool thinks it takes 4000 watts to charge a battery!!!

And FYI my ignorant friend: You cannot put 60 amps into a deep cycle battery at once. Our system charges at a safe and appropriate C/4 charge rate.

Keep in mind folks, this fool has been wrong about everything he has said about us and E2D!

- Ask a fool a question and you'll get a foolish answer. -

is there published info available for these units

the wind turbine's power curve or an output rating and a certain windspeed?

the rated wattage (stc) or make and model of pv module supplied, or voc, vmp, imp, isc (assuming stc)

i have not been able to find any, but if this information is out there that would be great to know.

james Alt-E staff

It is also important to note that once a typical 100 amp hour battery is charged it will provide the user, through our 1200 watt inverter approx 10 hours of power at 10 amps. Ergo the 1200 watt system.

You wont get 12 (actual calculated hours) hours because the inverter uses some energy to do its job!

E2D version 3 was just released and our website is currently going through the necessary changes and updates that will provide the consumer more detailed information including a detailed pictorial of a complete installed system with the manual transfer switch.

Also, the Freetricity wind turbine challenge will now be held March 15th at the Pechanga Resort and Casino in Temecula California.

I hope to see the Alternative Energy Stores Reps there as well as reps from all manufacturers ... although I seriously doubt anyone will have the guts to show up and challenge us!

Troy,

Try the simple spark test! While the prop is spinning briefly touch the wires coming out of the system ... very very briefly.

If you see a spark it is working. You wouldn't see any spark under 10 amps.

Ray, 1200 watts is 1200 watts (120V x 10A) whether it is supplied for 10 hours or for 10 minutes. Now here are a few areas where your argument falls flat on its face:

1. A 100ah battery might well provide 10 amps for 10 hours, but after a few charges and discharges it would no longer be of any use. For deep-cycle batteries, a discharge of 50% is the maximum that is recommended if you expect the battery to last more than 2 or 3 years.

2. Here is a quote directly from the freetricity.com website:
"3 to 5 = 10 x 10
Three to Five Hours of Wind Gives you ...
Ten Hours at 10 Amps = 10 Kilowatt Hours"

The clear implication there is that the E2D will generate 10 Kilowatt Hours of electricity in 3 to 5 hours.

Now you are saying that the maximum output of the system is 1200 watts or that it can theoretically produce 6 Kilowatt hours of electricity in five hours. That's 1200watts x 5 hours.

Do you think you can make up your mind on the power output of the system?

Another point worth mentioning is that power rating of a renewable energy system is the amount of energy produced by the renewable energy source, and NOT the rating of the inverter. Anyone can purchase a 5 kilowatt inverter, but if you only have 2 kilowatts of solar panels then you have a 2000 watt system. No ergo required. In fact, its probably a good idea to have your inverter rated about 20% higher than the maximum continuous power that you are using.

John