question about switch panel and fuses

Posted by James Cormican on September 21, 2009, 10:59:34 AM

Re: question about switch panel and fuses (Reply #5)
for folks doing 12v wiring, here are the most common units that they use.  both enclosures are listed to meet code.

depending on the size of the conductors, you may have trouble getting anything above 2awg into the breakers or potentially busbars.  these are the most popular choices, but not necessarily the best for your situation.

http://www.altestore.com/store/Enclosures-Electrical-and-Safety/Electrical-Enclosures/DisconnectLoad-Enclosures/AC-andor-DC/Square-D-QO612L100RB-Square-D-QO-Load-Center/p2579/

square D qo gear is rated for 12vdc as well as 120/240.  I believe that to use this enclosure for 6 circuits, you have to jumper over from what would have been two separate legs of 120.

http://www.altestore.com/store/Enclosures-Electrical-and-Safety/Electrical-Enclosures/DisconnectLoad-Enclosures/Dc/Outback-FlexWare-FW500-DC-breaker-enclosure/p5576/

with 8 small breaker slots, the outback enclosure is larger and more flexible in its implementation.  you will have to add a positive busbar, as i believe that it comes without one, assuming a jumper from the bottom of the large inverter disconnect circuit breaker that is used in typical off grid systems because of 2/0 and larger conductors and their 3/8ths lugs.

12v wiring is not that common anymore as a permanent code compliant solution.  issues such as voltage drop, large conductor sizes, listed equipment (light switches are a nightmare to find), and ability to have anybody but the installer work on it easily are the biggest challenges.

generally, I have found that by the time the time and expense of doing things correctly (code compliant) at the 12v dc level, the costs in time, money, effort, and efficiency, are more than made up for in creating a standard AC system with an inverter.  the wiring instantly becomes smaller, more standardized, and the ability of an electrician to work on the system in the installers absence increases substantially.  only in the smallest of systems (this one may apply) do we find that the 12v systems are the absolute win win.

hope that helps,

james
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Posted by Thomas Anderson on September 25, 2009, 09:25:50 PM

Re: question about switch panel and fuses (Reply #6)
Now battery recharging is all done with PV and household power is all 120 vac from inverters except for a few dc lights and a cigarette lighter type receptacle for recharging certain things. All sized and protected in accordance with the NEC I would like to add.

I'm currently wiring my home for DC (in addition to AC).  I'm using SquareD QO panels and breakers, which are rated for DC in addition to AC (individual panels of course, you don't want to mix them).  I'm curious as to what the NEC has to say about "a few dc lights and a cigarette lighter type receptacle". 

I'm planning a loop of DC lights as backup in case the inverter goes out.  And I want to have DC receptacles in several rooms for basically anything that would normally use a wall wort / power brick.  That includes any kind of chargers and most electronics. 

Is there any kind of standard DC receptacle type other than the cigarette lighter type?  I couldn't find any.  How do you mount one of these in a standard wiring box?  Do you just splice the wire in a concealed/enclosed box and then drywall around a wire sticking out of the wall?  Or are there such receptacles (perhaps for the RV market)?

Also, do you happen to know of any indoor 12VDC motion/occupancy sensors?  I'd like to have my DC lights triggered by occupancy.  They will provide baseline ambient lighting while AC lights will provide task lighting.
 

Posted by Ken Hall on September 26, 2009, 12:49:12 PM

Re: question about switch panel and fuses (Reply #7)
Cigarette lighter plugs and receptacles are not code compliant. If you want to be totally compliant, you will need to use different receptacles and then make an adapter to the cigarette type device.

You can use a number of 125V or 250V receptacles for your DC system, as long as they are not used elsewhere in the house and they are labeled.  The NEMA 6-15r is one that is a good one. It is rarely used in households.
http://www.levitonproducts.com/catalog/model_5029.htm?sid=8C755704B2343374F730F1C909AD6946&pid=1208
It is also available in a duplex configuration, but the single is generally easier to find. It is available at Lowes or Home depot.

I’ve seen a few people use the NEMA L5-15r or L5-20r twist lock receptacles.

Finding light switches is a problem, if you want them to look like light switches.  If you don’t mind metal toggles switches, then they are easier to find. Code requires an AC-DC General-Use Snap Switch.

A code compliant, 12VDC motion switch, that is fluorescent compatible ?? Good luck.
 
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