3 way switch

Posted by Bruce Smith on October 16, 2006, 02:07:14 PM

3 way switch
I have a 3 way light for my stairs. The power comes in at the switch. The light is in-between the 2 switches. I have followed the illustrations/instructions from a Handyman how-to book that gives instruction in AC wiring. My problem is only one side of the system works.If one of the switches is in the on position both switches work but if that one switch is in the off position no switch works. Can you give a helping hand with setting up these switches for DC ?
 

Posted by Thomas Hardy on October 16, 2006, 04:31:48 PM

Re: 3 way switch (Reply #1)
Hi Bruce - it doesn't matter if the power is AC or DC, the wiring of a 3-way circuit is the same.  I'm guessing you've checked and double checked your wiring to the diagram you are using (I don't know, but perhaps the book has it wrong). If you post an email address I can send you a wiring diagram to try.  I would caution you that using inexpensive, readily available 3-way switches commonly used in the AC world could be a problem. They typically aren't rated for DC use. To be safe, I would recommend using a commercial grade switch and limit (by limiting the number of lamps and their current rating) the switching to a couple of amps.  The problem is that arcing in switches (happens in all of them), particularly when breaking contact, is typically quenched as the voltage passes through zero (in the AC cycle).  In a DC circuit, this doesn't happen.  Generally this means that the life of the switch will be shortened vs. AC use.  In extreme cases, it could be a fire hazard.  So limit the DC current you are trying to switch to well below the rating of the switch.  Anyway, let me know if I can help you with your wiring circuit problem.

Regards -

Tom Hardy, PE
HVTA, Inc.
 

Posted by Bruce Smith on October 16, 2006, 05:07:26 PM

Re: 3 way switch (Reply #2)
Thanks for the reply Thomas. I am using DC rated switches and suppose one of them may be bad. I have blown enough fuses configuring different ways to connect 2 3 ways and 1 light. I would appreciate your diagram. About the DC switches. I am going thru a person that deals from this site and tells me most folks are using AC switches cuz they are more available  and cheaper. Says AC will work but with a shortened life. Are DC swathes still being made ? E-mail basmith @ cablemt.net
 

Posted by James Cormican on October 16, 2006, 07:35:25 PM

Re: 3 way switch (Reply #3)
dc switches are getting very hard to find.  I think we still carry one that I went out of my way to source for a cabin guy.  That one was only a two way switch.  let me know if you need one, or if you think we should have it on the website.

oh yeah, T rated switches will also work to the best of my knowledge.  the one we carry is  a surface mounted T switch, and it is ugly and brown, but safe for 12v dc situations. 

If I could avoid it, I would not use an ac switch for dc loads. 

Also, good ole square d "QO" circuit breakers are dual rated for dc usage up to 48 volts total.  for battery apps 12 or 24vdc is okay, for solar, we stick to 12vdc nominal only because of the possibility of going over the 48v rating.

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Posted by Bruce Smith on October 17, 2006, 09:42:35 AM

Re: 3 way switch (Reply #4)
Thanks for the reply James. Don't know if the site needs the switch but if it did I would buy 4 Ea. single switches. I am setting up a 24vdc system. All my lights are DC. About 12 lights on 5 diff. circuts with the Edison base adaptor for the Halogen 2 prong 50w.bulb inside and 20w outside. With what is not working with my 3 way I will assume one of them is bad and use an AC switch to check before I need to order a 3 way.Electricity sucks when all I know is new batteries make my Flashlight work.
 
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