Revolutionary "SeaBird" Small Low Wind Speed Wind Turbine

oso,

Your oso wrong, Our machines are tested and perform exactly what we claim, actual test confirm the units perform greater than what you see published. This unit is every thing everybody has been waiting from and then some, I chalenge you to put your money where your mouth is and purchase one and come back to the forum with the results if you have the B#@$, I do not pull any punches and will defend my product to the end, so come with some intelligent reasons why you feel my product is inferior to that of bergey.

William

Brock,

From what my Engineer's are telling me this unit as we posted as far as results are way under what we know our unit can produce. We have posted these numbers as impressive as they may seem, they have no relavence to te actual unit that will be shipping to market. Our unit @ a 10 Mph wind can produce atleast 1,000 Watts of Renewable Energy on Demand. This Technology did not just pop up and were claiming bullshit claims, we have been Engineering and Designing this product for 4 years. We are now ready for Market and will be able to extend our product into the urban and sub-urban areas. The "SeaBird" can reach maximum productivity at only 25 - 30 Ft. above ground. Obviously the higher you can put our unit the better the results, but does not have too or limited to 25 ft. Name one Renewable Energy unit that does not, absolutely produce zero noise?. Only one unit available today, Our SeaBird, and we guarantee it......can Bergey or Lakota, I think not...

William

Your figures are bad, our turbine is not your ordinary standard trickle charging type. We produce again, not kwh's, not miliamps, but pure watts and pure amps on Demand. No other wind turbine can achieve this until now, turbine manufacturers have been following the guy in front of him and using old technology forever. We do not believe in the horizontal wind turbines today and know for a fact that they are not efficient, their is your snake oil, not us, were real and very comfortable with our test results. Product will be flooding the U.S and abroad very shortly, Buy one, test it, then give me your two cents. Horizontal wind turbines will be absolete one day soon, knowbody likes them, they make awful noise, takes up to much valueble space, and work and produce very poorly and takes 20 years to pay off. Our System will pay for itself within 5 years or sooner..Match that!, Solar, Wind(todays horizontal turbines), biomass, hydro, natural gas, whatever cannot achieve this Renewable Energy payback period.

Again, your OSO wrong, take a look on top of Hollywood Thuroughbred Racetrack and Casino in Inglewood California, they have our System on top of their Grand Stands 90 ft. above ground on the roof. Can you install Horizontal units on roofs(No)are they 100% Silent(NO), Can you install a Horizontal unit in the City or Sub-urbs(NO), Can a horizontal unit perform and produce Energy above a 50 mph wind (NO), Can a horizontal unit provide stand alone power for a small or large home(NO), We answer YES to all of these questions, compared to the others out thier, they cannot. Like it or not, we will be coming to town to offer a real wind turbine that works to the Consumers, no trickle charging crap!!

William

OSO,

The problem here is people like youself are reluctant to change and it's sad. We have just now started to market and publically sell the units to private entities as of 11/15/04, and we have booked to date 520 units. All customers were given personal demonstrations live with batteries, invertors, battery charging regulators, test equipment, etc. The numbers speak for themselves, again this is real, please bare with me on this one, I will personally invite you to a meeting and demonstration on 11/19/04. You will be accompanied by Engineers, Home Builder's, Electrical Residential Contractors, Commercial Developers, and also a National Electrical Distribution Supply Company will also be present. Please I beg you to take me up on this offer, I would love to meet with you and demonstrate our Patented System.

Regards,

William

Would be really nice when some day some company really produce a vertical axis windturbine for a reasonable price.
Germany made Wispy 500W and 2000W, Swiss Ropatec 750W and 3KW, Finlands Windside 130W - 300W models are all prohibitive expensive for their output compared with traditional turbines.
Vertical axis turbines have so many advantages : low windspeed cut-in, low noise, no high speed cut-out/furling ....
Unfortunately the numbers given from Seabird are pure phantasy !
Calculating the rated Watt(usually given at 12 - 15 m/s e.g. around 30mph) and setting this into relation with the sweep area in SQfeet :
Whisper H80, H175 = 13-17W / sqft
Bergey Excel = 16W / sqft
Lakota = 25W / sqft etc...
Vertical Axis turbines mentioned above really reach 30 - 40W / sqft.
Even then a tiny Seabird turbine with just 3 sqft sweep area (16x27inch) would be 100W-120W (at 12-15 m/s).
Even if their brilliant design would double the efficiency it's only 200W - even below the AIR-X.
So already the output table given on their internet page must be totally overstated and even completely inconsitent with the monthly average output of 4MWH.
This 4000KWH a month means average 6KW and peak 20KW output for a 12V system. This would mean 500Amp average and 1500Amp peak !! What for thick welding cables they want to use for their generator windings ?! And this on a 16inch diameter and a few lbs weight machine ?!
And this story of just booking orders for 520pc at 5K $ each = 2.5 Mio$ in a few days ... I guess Bergey, SWWP, Lakota & Co would be happy get this orders in year.
==>> So another collection of rubbish claims or a scam (?!) and I still have to wait and hope for a real value for money vertical turbine.

How and where are the Seabird near Brownsville TX

Scott,

I believe the only true statement made by "SeaBird" dealers is that it made no noise, but that is also true of any non-existent equipment.

If you are determined to get burned on a windmill project, I suspect the scam has been supersized and is now being sold as the Mag-Wind 1100.
http://www.mag-wind.com/dist-list.php

If you do contact them, try asking for the UL number of the MG 1100 and see what they say.

John

What's so humorous about freetricity chuckles?

Seems to me there is a lot of misinformation on this site ... is this the business you are in?

Perhaps your are correct and there is nothing humourous about the freetricity website. However, it is patently false and misleading, and to state that a 1200 watt system can run a central air conditioning system is bordering on crooked.
http://www.freetricity.com/whatcan.htm

I am not employed by AES, nor am I a competitor to freetricity in any respect so I have no qualms about calling a spade a spade.

From the pictures on the website I would estimate that the solar panel is a 5 or perhaps 10 watt module, and the windmill probably produces less. So all of the "sustained" energy that the system produces would amount to about 1 kilowatt hour before the battery went completely flat. It would then take about three days before the windmill and solar panel recharged the battery and you could start the cycle all over again.

They also make reference to rebates to lure customers. As a California corporation they should know full well that the California Energy Commission approves all equipment eligible for rebates. Why don't you give them a call and see why their windmill is not on this list?
http://www.consumerenergycenter.org/cgi-bin/eligible_smallwind.cgi

John

“From the pictures on the website I would estimate that the solar panel is a 5 or perhaps 10 watt module,”

You would estimate John?  Perhaps you should ask?

The solar panel included varies and its primary function is to provide the start up field voltage for the generator!

The solar panel’s function will change with the new permanent magnet/electromagnet combo generator that will be available in October.

“and the windmill probably produces less”

To silly to respond to normally but … I’ll do it anyhow!

The wind generator is built to provide the appropriate levels to properly charge a deep cycle battery. In moderate winds this takes a few hours. Once charged that 100 amp hour battery can provide 10 hours at 10 amps through the included 1200 watt inverter (referring to the 1200 watt system).

When properly wired into your supply panel it helps in the running all of your electric appliances.

“As a California corporation they should know full well that the California Energy Commission approves all equipment eligible for rebates.”

 Freetricity is not a California Corporation (where do you get your information) but you are correct that the CEC does approve equipment for California’s rebates (not any federal credits or rebates however).

In fact I am a distributor of Freetricity products in CA and have submitted the proper forms to the CEC and am waiting for their response. All perspective California clients are informed of this.

Freetricity has been in a semi-dormant stage for the past few months as we have been developing our new national distribution and installation network.

We have several hundred distributors ready for our national roll out next month and hope all of you stop by to check us out @www.freetricity.com


FYI - To John: Contrary to all known engineering standards at the time … the Wright brothers did indeed fly!

John B

***Where did you get your engineering degree? Do you have one?


“I was wondering why the solar panel was flat under and in the shadow of the windmill. It is used to turn the blades of the windmill around to make it look like the system is working. Lol.”

***That statement speaks for itself and just how uninformed you are!

“Now if you are claiming that the system will charge a 100 ampere hour batter in 4 hours then the system must be producing 25 amperes continuously at 12V or 3000 watts!!!!”

***What electronic equation gives you 3000 watts from 12V @ 25amps? Since watts equals volts times amps the correct wattage is 300! And yes, it does this easily.

And since I am already educating you perhaps it would be a good idea to google charging deep cycle batteries … that way you wont look so foolish!

“By the time you hear back from the CEC, perhaps you will have learned enough to know that a modified sine wave inverter cannot be wired into any supply panel connected to the grid.”

***When our customers want to connect to their supply box we use different inverters such as an Outback. It’s more expensive but more easier to use. We also recommend a sub supply box and an auto switch if they want to run several circuits at once without the outback!

“Can you see why people who are trying to make an honest living in the alternative energy business might despise people such as yourself?”

*** John, so far all you have done is show off your appalling ignorance! I hope when you get out of high school you choose a career path other than engineering!

3000 watts from 12V at 25 Amps ... LOL

Fair enough but perhaps it would have been better if you had simply asked for tech info first James ... before accusing us of being a joke!

Our website will be changing in the next two weeks for our upcoming national roll out. All tech specs will be included!

Please revisit our website @www.freetricity.com.

I can and will say this much however ... our new permanent magnet electromagnet combo generator will revolutionize the small turbine industry.

The concept is simple. There are two sets of permanent magnets that start producing at approx 8 mph. At 12 mph the first two of the six sets of electromagnets kick in. At approx 16 mph the other 4 sets are turned on and controlled to ensure the added torque does not stall the prop.

We know we are the only ones doing this because we have purchased and tested every small turbine available including the Air-X which quite frankly is, to us, very unimpressive!

If sites like yours are truly intended to further the cause of renewable energy sources then getting to know us would be well worth your while!
 

"The day that garden-decoration windmill on your website produces 300 watts of power I promise to kiss your arse in Macy's window. John"


Given your immature and ignorant rhetoric I doubt mine would the first or last you kiss!

But ... no thanks! Just become informed.

Read the bottom of page 5 genius!