How to run a small DC motor??????

2 Posts
Mar 2, 2009 07:11 am
How to run a small DC motor??????

Hi!  I'm a solar newbie; I want to run a small DC motor in my attic for ventilation.  The fan specs are:  12v, 0.55A.  The run of wire from the fan to the PV is about 20 feet.  I want to run the fan constantly while the sun is up only so I don't need a battery hookup.  My questions are:

What size panel do I need?  And what gauge wire do I need? 

Thanks for your help!!!!!!
 
Mar 2, 2009 11:12 am
Re: How to run a small DC motor??????

I can't know your knowledge of PV and electric motors and electronics so I'll try to keep it in simple terms and hope that I do not insult you. As much as it pains me not to just give you the links to what you will need to accomplish this task, I feel it would do you and everyone else here a great injustice. Afterall, "Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he eats for life."

There is no shortage of small PV modules that can produce 12 volts dc nominal at .55 amps. Here are just a few examples. Compare the specs. of nominal 10 watt PV modules.
.55 X 12 = 6.6

http://www.southwestpv.com/Catalog/Solar%20Modules/Unisolar%20Solar%20modules.htm

 A problem might occur though with the motor being able to withstand the higher "working" dc voltages of a PV module during high light levels as well as the lower dc voltage from a PV module during low light levels. The motor may over heat and melt down or if it can stand the higher or lower "working" dc voltages of a direct PV connection it may only run at full speed for an hour or two at noon time. This is were an LCB or Linear Current Booster would be used.

http://www.solarseller.com/solar_converters__inc__linear_current_boosters___faq_.htm

Check out the specs. on the "PPT 12/24 - 3"
http://www.solarseller.com/dc_photoswitch__dc_timer__voltage_controlled_switch_dc_relay.htm
They are a little high compared to your motor but I am sure someone makes them smaller.

http://chuck-wright.com/SolarSprintMotorPV/SolarSprintMotorPV.html

More fun with electric dc motors.
http://www.sciencebuddies.org/science-fair-projects/project_ideas/Elec_p009.shtml
My favorite is the "high voltage motor in 5 minutes."
Seconded by "12,000 volts from a rubber band and a soda can."

http://www.wondermagnet.com/

There is also no shortage of used PV yard lights at yard sale and such that may still have good PV cells in them. Just be mindful that you will need a multimeter maybe a soldering gun and stuff if you go this route. Remember; .55 X 12 = 6.6

« Last Edit: Mar 2, 2009 11:14 am by Thomas Allen Schmidt »
 
Mar 2, 2009 11:31 am
Re: How to run a small DC motor??????

Oops, I overlooked the wire size.
At only .55 amps its hard to go wrong there.
To give you an idea. In household wiring, a 14 gauge copper wire is used on a 15 amp circuit. A 12 gauge copper wire is used on a 20 amp circuit. A 10 gauge copper wire is used on a 30 amp circuit. Chances are, if you have a 100 amp utility service to your home, its on a 2 gauge aluminum wire. Got any 18 gauge copper wire laying around?

http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm

These are maximum values in the chart at the site above. The values I gave for household wiring are dictated by the NEC or National Electric Code. Different types of wire and wire insulation will have different ratings.
 
2 Posts
Mar 3, 2009 06:38 am
Re: How to run a small DC motor??????

Tom:  Thanks for your quick response, and no, I'm not insulted:  I don't know anything about this stuff and I welcome the chance to learn.  I'll look over the links you provided and ask further questions as I'm sure I'll have several.

One question I now have as I read your initial response has to do with a potential problem you raise:

"A problem might occur though with the motor being able to withstand the higher "working" dc voltages of a PV module during high light levels as well as the lower dc voltage from a PV module during low light levels. The motor may over heat and melt down..."

Now I understand that the Linear Current Booster will compensate for lower "working" dc voltages during the early and later parts of the day, but will it also address the higher voltages during mid-day? I'm not clear on that one and I certainly do not want to worry about melting fans while I'm at work!

Again, thanks for your help and I look forward to studying what you've provided!

 
220 Posts
Mar 5, 2009 11:05 pm
Re: How to run a small DC motor??????


 hi guys,

 joe, your thread has provided the impetus for me to have a read into solar powered motors and linear current boosters. interesting subject...looks like you are on the way to a successful project. if i am understanding correctly the LCB allows us to undersize the pv source and not have to worry about any of the too little or too much power issues.

 as usual Mr. Schmidt has provided some very useful and interesting links to help us to understand our subject.

 thomas you are killing me here with all these great links, i can't risk not checking them out-as i may miss something good..i'm off to try that soda can static motor! thanks!

 cheers, dave
 

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